"Just" a New Bathroom - Finished

Before we start:

A big THANK YOU to our clients:  Troy & Cassandra.
We really appreciate being welcomed into your home for the week or so (rough-in and, later the finishing) this took to complete.

Photos of the NEW Bathroom project we just finished.

The fixtures in this new bathroom need venting (the pipe going into the ceiling) to operate properly.

 This is the flange that connects the toilet to the piping below.  It also holds the toilet to the floor.
In this case, the toilet flange is a little further from the wall to accommodate the "structural" floor joist that runs under the toilet.  Typically the toilet flange is about 12.5" to 13" off the back wall.

Water line for the toilet.
Wow.  That's it, right?  What about the hidden plumbing?  Where are we going to get the water?  Where is the waste going?

 Water line tubing and "soil" (term used when poop goes in it) pipe connected to WC (water closet) or toilet flange above.

 Waste pipe from LAV (bathroom sink) on left side which is connected to the bigger toilet pipe.
The toilet actually vents through the LAV pipe.

 We have to connect this new bathroom to the existing piping.  In this case we were blessed with a 3" pipe coming from the clothes washer.  But, this meant that we now had to vent a previously unvented fixture (clothes washer stand pipe).  Back in the day, they did this different than we do today.  Suffice to say we also re-piped the laundry so that our connection would conform to plumbing code.

 Lots of fun here.  Back in the dark ages (1950s, 60s, even 70s), plumbers used a lot of cast iron for drainage (and connected it with LEAD - dangerous).  Needless to say we had to make a few cuts into the cast iron to make our connection.  Well it wasn't that straightforward.  Here is what we found  where we were going to connect the new bathroom piping.  This pipe was only draining a clothes washer (for about 55 years).  So we cut out the whole horizontal pipe up to where it went vertical and replaced it with plastic (abs).  These cuts require special blades or special cutters (depending on preference or situation).

 Here is all the additional pipe we replaced (piled outside).

 This is what the attic looks like.  There's plumbing in the attic too??  Yes there is.  Remember the first picture with the vent pipe running up the wall.  It has to eventually connect to a pipe that leads outside.

 More venting we installed.  One pipe is from the laundry and the other is from the NEW bathroom.
We also had to cut cast iron to connect the NEW venting to the existing venting.

 Pipe must grade properly and must be properly supported (see metal strap with 2x4 board) holding pipe's grade (keeping it from sagging and filling with water - bad thing for a "dry vent")

 Here is our "green sticker" from the City of Edmonton Inspector.
He checked our piping and gave it his approval.

 Picture of the "rough-in" for the sink.

A roughed-in bathroom.

(It wouldn't look like much if you didn't see all that was done)

Installing shut-off valves for the water lines for the LAV.

 Braided supply tubes connecting the faucet to the water lines.

 The faucet.

 Installing tank to toilet bowl.

Cut those T-bolts.  

The mark of a neat plumber.

 The NEW bathroom.

To keep it simple we didn't show pictures of:

1.  Upsizing water lines  (from the water meter to the hot water tank to the other branch offs) to  

      accommodate new bathroom and meet plumbing code requirements for water flow..

     (While doing this, we had to also change the "very old" main shut-off as it started to leak after   

       being turned on and off)

2.  Re-piping the laundry.

So, as we mentioned in our previous BLOG posts  - There are many other variables when adding a new bathroom such as:  water line sizing, venting, and drainage capacity.  

This also doesn't even scratch the surface on fire safety, materials, confined spaces, dangerous substances (that might be encased in the building materials of your house).

As you can see, these bathrooms must be well thought out.

For a professional consultation (and possible estimate) give us a call at 780-266-3939.

These consultations and estimates differ from our normal consultations in that they involve lots of time and effort to solve plumbing challenges before anything is decided.  Therefore we charge a reasonable fee for this service. 

Thank you,

Jay Bortnik

Journeyman Jay Plumbing

780-266-3939

"Just" a New Bathroom

We recently completed the plumbing "rough-in" (drainage/vent pipe and water lines for a bathroom).
And we just achieved another "Green Sticker" from the City of Edmonton (on our plumbing permit for this project).

I say "just" a new bathroom, but it involved re-piping the laundry drainage, adding venting for laundry and the new bathroom, and "upsizing" the water lines to accommodate more water demand in the house.

Most of the rough-in took place in the "crawl space" - about 2.5 to 3 ft high with lots of heating duct in the way (also very dusty - but that's life).

Here are a few pictures.

(Photo above and below) The 3 inch drain that we installed (replacing the old cast iron pipe).

 The photo above is the 2" laundry drain connected to our re-piped 3" drain.  Initially we were going to leave the cast iron in place and just cut into it, however it was all gooed up, so we replaced the whole length with ABS.

 One of the issues in the crawl space was its lack of space.

 The photo above is a 2" LAV (bathroom sink drain) acting as a wet vent to the 3" toilet drain on the right.

Because the pipe hangers had to be so long, we opted to use pipe hangers that are almost never used in houses (you will mostly only see these hangers commercially).  Hangers are important as they keep the grade of the pipe locked in so the waste can run downwards at a grade of about 1/4 inch per foot.

The photo above and below shows some of the water lines we installed.  We tried to use mostly PEX in the crawl space, because soldering copper is a fire hazard (especially so in this cramped crawl space).

Also note that the PEX we used is Wirsbo or UPONOR brand.  It significantly DIFFERS from the PEX that you can pick up at the home improvement stores.   Needless to say there are advantages to using this type of PEX, however most plumbers don't use it because "it costs too much".

 The photo above and 2 photos below are the newly roughed-in Laundry Standpipe.  When we first arrived, we found that the old laundry drain connected directly to a 3" drain which lead into the stack in the crawl space.

All you have to know here is that the original laundry did not meet current plumbing code, but did allow us to easily tie in the new bathroom in the crawl space because it was 3".  However, this also necessitated venting to be installed off of  the new and improved Laundry Standpipe (up the wall and into the attic which then connected to the bathroom venting and eventually the stack vent in a very tight spot in the attic - I might talk about that "fun day" sometime in the future).

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The photos below should give you an idea of the spaces we had to work in.  Notice the entrance to this crawl space and how short the clearance is once you are in it.

More pictures to come on this project.


Thank you,

Jay Bortnik
Journeyman Jay Plumbing
780-266-3939

Lurking Leaks

Your enameled steel sink may look fine on the surface, 

but what's lurking underneath?

We were here to repair a piece of leaky and corroded copper drainage pipe (old school).

Here is what the top of the bathroom sink looks like when we pulled out the old drain to "reseal" it.  It was leaking too.

So we tried to re-install the pop-up drain, but the drain hole in the bottom of the sink had rusted out.

This is not the first time we have seen this.

But in this case, we had to replace the sink for sure.

There have been instances where our client insists that we put the drain back in the same sink if it isn't totally rusted out (we don't recommend it as it is just going to leak again very soon anyway).

This is why porcelain sinks are now being used more frequently.
And that is exactly what we replaced it with.


Thanks for reading,

Jay Bortnik
Journeyman Jay Plumbing
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780-266-3939